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Disgrace, #1 (12)

Posted by: vickyleigh on: October 21, 2009

Okay, so, I have about a million things to say about this new book we’re tackling, many of them involving the phrase “fucked up”. Bear with me.

First thing I’ve noticed: the first four chapters seem to have a dreamlike quality – David knows somewhere in his subconscious that what he’s doing is fucked up (“No matter what passes between them now, they will have to meet again as teacher and pupil. Is he prepared for that?”, p. 12), but it isn’t until the cold, harsh language of the notification he receives that reality seems to set in. David thinks he’s happy but his life has become so twisted…why else would he pursue students so damn persistently, unless there was something really wrong with him? It’s kind of scary how skewed his visions of right and wrong have become.

Also, David says Melanie is too innocent to have taken the step toward getting him fired, but the page before, he says, “Melanie…takes things to heart. He would not have guessed it. What else has he not guessed about her?” (37) The man has got another thing coming, I think. He’s in way over his head – with a girl he knows NOTHING ABOUT – and he doesn’t quite grasp that.

Next, I find the whole scene on pages 26-27 to be one of the creepiest and disturbing, if not THE most creepiest and disturbing, thing I have ever read. David is trying to convince himself that all he wants is satisfaction in his sex life. But there are clearly other things the man needs. Like a psychological evaluation. The last line of page 26 is just so fucked up! I don’t even want to type it. It makes me shudder.

Moving on: “What, in her heart, is she trying to be?” (27) I honestly believe that no woman – even a young, “innocent” woman such as Melanie, would open up the can of worms that is sleeping with your professor in an effort to be a daughter figure to him. Highly doubt that would any sane person’s motivation. Also, the fact that he and Melanie have sex on his daughter’s bed creeped me out enough to want to toss the book across the room in disgust.

However, I don’t hate this book, at all. I’m fascinated by the fact that even though I’m repulsed, I’m interested in this character. Plus the writing is incredible (which is probably why I’m still reading – the author is handling a tough issue in a way that’s kept me interested in what happens). My favorite quote of the chapters we’ve read so far has got to be on page 13, before things get really bizarre: “Do the young still fall in love, or is that mechanism obsolete by now, unnecessary, quaint, like steam locomotion?” This is beautiful, to me – one perfect sentence encapsulating the idea of a sad, wistful man drifting through life, jaded, knowing his prime years are past, lonely and unsure of the things he was once so positive about.

David reminds me of Oscar a little, on page 18: “…he ought to let her go. But he is in the grip of something. Beauty’s rose: the poem drives straight as an arrow.” He gets crazy-stalkerish but is blinded by an impulse more powerful than his sense of logic.

So. What I want to know is: what the hell happened in his relationship with his daughter? That started his slow decline into looniness? That made him so fucked up?! I want to know more!

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7 Responses to "Disgrace, #1 (12)"

If you recall, at the beginning of the book it talks about how David was raised; how women were a constant, but sort of replaceable, figures in his childhood. He was an unwanted child and perhaps that helped to push him over the edge by the time he was an adult. I think once you get a bit further into this book you’ll also see another reason as to why he acts in this way, although I think it’s a really stupid excuse, if you even want to call it that. What do you think about his relationships between his former wives? – Mike Hill, UAH Student 12:45-2:05 class

Melanie totally took advantage of the situation, in my opinion. Sure, she didn’t want it at first, but she was okay with it later– she showed up at his apartment (knowing full well what would happen), she could skip class, David covered for her for that one exam. But when David caught flack for it and he told Melanie that she would have to make up the test, she was like “What? Don’t you -owe- me for keeping this thing underwraps?”
Then a complaint is promptly raised against David — coincidence? I think not.
I do like your quote from page 13. I hadn’t really picked up on that. I am a romantic, so I’d argue for the falling, but I don’t know about youth today as a whole…

I agree with the whole dreamlike quality. It seems he thinks that his actions with anyone will not have any repercussions. For instance when he saw his Soraya out and then she stopped seeing him. Thats not a big surprise, but it seemed to him it was. Its almost as if he is just trying to live his life by binding onto other people. For instance, he bonds to Soraya. After she leaves him he tries to bond with Melanie then she files a complaint and now he bonds to his daughter. Which this bonding refers to how he thinks women are replaceable but constant figures in his childhood. He takes that theme and runs with it for the entire book. The book to me is a train wreck you cannot stop watching. Like you said very well written and easy to read but such a disaster.

David Lurie is a fascinating character and I know that he seems extremely shallow, I believe that he is very deep and complex. Now I am not saying that he is deep and complex in a good way but, I believe that he had himself completely convinced that there was nothing wrong with what he was doing. But subconcisouly he knew that it was going to lead to trouble. I think that David thought he wanted trouble, because he thought it would be exciting but discovered that he really did not want it.

I really like the analogy you drew between the first four chapters having a dreamlike quality almost. I makes me feel more strongly about Davids classical romantic nature.

For example, while reading the “rape” scene on page 25. The following lines stuck out to me,” But nothing will stop him… Something to do with the apparition on the stage: the wig, the wiggling bottom, the crude talk. Strange love! Yet from the quiver of Aphrodite, goddess of the foaming waves, no doubt about that… She does not resist.”

I mean this is a very clear and concise delusional image. Lurie is an extremely logical and smart man, but to me it seemed almost as if most of the time he in fact, constructs his own reality. It was very interesting how David Lurie described this sexual encounter with Melanie as a fwaray with the goddess of love.

I wasn’t sure that to make of the “wig” or “stage”… perhaps in his dreamlike state, David was mentally reverting back to the Opera that he was writing.

I don’t know.

All in all though, I gotta agree with you though Vicky. Lurie is fucked up.

I agree with you. I was extremely creeped out about him and Melanie having sex on his daughter’s bed. He was extremely twisted but at the same time, I do not belive he reall knew himself.

I think that since he saw women as replaceable when he was younger, he has matured that thought. He feels he can do what he wants, when he wants, no matter the consequences but it just didn’t work out as he thought it would.

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